Groups and Clubs

A Club is really a Forum with specific members. Is this true? Or we could say a Club is a Usergroup with its own Forum. True?

In a way, it feels like when someone creates a Club, it should also create a Voting area, Chatroom, Calendar, Files, Gallery, Links, News, and Quizzes area. Like under a Club is all of those things, but specifically available only to the members of that Club (Usergroup). So that there is an incentive to creating a Club because it creates a Space that other members must Join in order to have access to that Clubs private Voting area, Chatroom, Calendar, Files, Gallery, Links, News, and Quizzes area.

Because as it stands now, Clubs aren't particularly useful because it's the same thing as just allowing members to create Forums that are private. 

Also, for many things like Forums, there is a sort of front page that lists all of the Forums. But Clubs doesn't seem to have a front page. Like, you click on Clubs and it takes you to a page with all of the Clubs. From there you can decide to Join one, or not.

Maybe I'm missing something. Shouldn't the creation of a Club create more than just a private Forum?

Because then members could create regional Clubs, and that would be an incentive and a responsibility, and it would create purpose. 

What am I missing here, folks.
 

I actually agree with his thinking… 

I proposed a similar idea to Chris and I recall that he said things can be tied together via Admin CP > Structure > Aggregate Content Types. Composr Tutorial: Aggregate Content Types – Composr

It would be useful to be able to select additional features when creating clubs or groups. I would say a club is a group with a forum as it stands.

Now I thought a little about the topic,

If you create a club, couldn't you set it to enter a zone and such and use permissions for the club or group? Or am I thinking a bit off?

Master Rat said

Now I thought a little about the topic,

If you create a club, couldn't you set it to enter a zone and such and use permissions for the club or group? Or am I thinking a bit off?

From “Post #9,892”, 30th April 2024, 3:20 pm

No…it's a brilliant strategy to create true Clubs (or maybe call them Groups, or Spaces, or whatever)
Because as you infer from your comment, a Zone can be a Space because it inherently has permissions. So, if creating a Club actually created a new Zone, then only members of that Club could have access to that Zone, and with it would obviously come everything a website offers.

A long time ago…before the internet, there were BBS's. I dabbled in that a lot. You'd use a modem to connect to a remote computer that brought people together with Forums and News and sometimes Games. Well, one day this new BBS software popped up called Oasis. It wasn't a BBS like all the others. It actually allowed people to create entire BBS's. So instead of the main BBS with the main Forums and things, one could create an entirely new one. When that hit the streets it was huge. Everyone wanted to be part of it because it allowed people to be Sysops (BBS creators) without having a dedicated computer and dedicated phone line and computer programming skills.

That's exactly what a Club could do, if it simultaneously created a Forum, Voting area, Chatroom, Calendar, Files, Gallery, Links, News, and Quizzes area, all privately run by whoever created it.

Other ideas and comments?

Psssst I am one of the Pascal people that was involved in WWIV BBS I do know a lot about the BBS scene. I ran one for years.

I also used to setup people who had specific needs using PCBoard :)

I've been secretly thinking about this as well and I, too, agree that clubs should be more than just forums etc.

In fact that's going to become a necessity in my case for a community website I'm building.

The current workaround is to do what Adam mentioned… aggregate content types. But I believe clubs should be their own aggregate content type by default which can create any other content.

My vision for clubs is that when you create a club, you are also prompted with what other content types you want created specific for that club… forums, calendar, galleries, etc. And permissions are set up by default such that only members of that club have access to them. Or perhaps there would be a do-next schematic. When you create a club, you can then create any one of another content type and tie it into a club. This would be available in the CMS zone. And at any time, you can go back into the CMS zone under clubs and add another piece of content specific for that club. Editing and deleting would function as it normally would for non-club content, but adding specifically would default the permissions to club-only.

Please let me know what your thoughts are. This likely won't happen in version 11.0 at least (I have a very tight deadline for getting v11 out to stable) but it might be an 11.1 or 11.2 feature or something.

Patrick Schmalstig said

I've been secretly thinking about this as well and I, too, agree that clubs should be more than just forums etc.

In fact that's going to become a necessity in my case for a community website I'm building.

The current workaround is to do what Adam mentioned… aggregate content types. But I believe clubs should be their own aggregate content type by default which can create any other content.

My vision for clubs is that when you create a club, you are also prompted with what other content types you want created specific for that club… forums, calendar, galleries, etc. And permissions are set up by default such that only members of that club have access to them. Or perhaps there would be a do-next schematic. When you create a club, you can then create any one of another content type and tie it into a club. This would be available in the CMS zone. And at any time, you can go back into the CMS zone under clubs and add another piece of content specific for that club. Editing and deleting would function as it normally would for non-club content, but adding specifically would default the permissions to club-only.

Please let me know what your thoughts are. This likely won't happen in version 11.0 at least (I have a very tight deadline for getting v11 out to stable) but it might be an 11.1 or 11.2 feature or something.

From “Post #9,899”, 30th April 2024, 8:04 pm

I'd back that with beer and coffee or whatever. Looking at Clubs, I get the feeling that Chris had this stuff in mind, but he had to focus on other parts of the code instead of completing Clubs. I bet he planned to do all this but just never got around to it. I think it would be interesting to hear what Chris says about the idea, to see if he could add to the conversation and the methodologies.

Malatesa said

I'd back that with beer and coffee or whatever. Looking at Clubs, I get the feeling that Chris had this stuff in mind, but he had to focus on other parts of the code instead of completing Clubs. I bet he planned to do all this but just never got around to it. I think it would be interesting to hear what Chris says about the idea, to see if he could add to the conversation and the methodologies.

From “Post #9,904”, 1st May 2024, 3:00 am

Haha, unfortunately I cannot drink due to a medical condition. And a beer/coffee would only buy me about maybe 10-15 minutes development time for what it's worth. I'm joking. I mean what I say is true but we're not being serious.